Betreff: Re: Japan EMF problem |
Von: ara@alerte.ch |
Datum: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 07:06:14 +0200 |
An: Mike O'Carroll |
You'll find more information on the WHO website after the worshop of last June.
Look at :
http://www.who.int/peh-emf/meetings/elf_emf_workshop_2007/en/index.html
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs322/en/index.html
They wrote " This classification was based on pooled analyses of
epidemiological studies demonstrating a consistent pattern of a two-fold
increase in childhood leukaemia associated with average exposure to residential
power-frequency magnetic field above 0.3 to 0.4 µT."
Is that clear enough ???
With my Best Regards
Philippe Hug
www.alerte.ch
Switzerland
Mike O'Carroll <ocarroll@weights.demon.co.uk> a écrit :
Dear Hans and KH,
Thanks for your communications. I will report them briefly in the next
Revolt news.
It seems KH is talking about Hong Kong (KH on HK!) not Japan, but I
would be keen to hear of any citizens' groups in any country, to build
up a register. Any help from the cc list would be welcome.
We get enquiries about powerlines from many countries. For example even
in the last few weeks we have queries about planning, visual impact,
interference with business operations, property devaluation,
compensation, substations, inter-connectors, underground cables and so
on, as well as about EMF. As the law and procedures vary, it would be
helpful to identify a citizens' reference point in each country. It may
be necessary to have multiple reference points, e.g. for planning
objections or for EMF.
Hans, may I use your email address as a reference point for Canada? Does
anyone know of reference points for Hong Kong? I don't even have a
current reference point for the USA, apart from microwavenews for EMF,
since my general USA powerlines contact is now out of date.
For KH's benefit, the SAGE report on EMF examines precautionary policy
for the UK. It may be helpful to refer the HK government to it. It can
be accessed from our website
<http://www.revolt.co.uk>.
With best wishes,
- Mike
In message <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAV79YsVLRqEqYO
+y1B7tljMKAAAAQAAAALy3oMdIRr0KZZhIGLiMYyAEAAAAA@shaw.ca>, hans karow
<hkarow@shaw.ca> writes
Dear all,
A few days ago I got a very serious ?call?
for help from Mr. Kin
Hing Tong in Japan. (Please read his messages from the bottom up).
I have informed Mr. Tong already about the
The BioInitiative
Working Group (links and report), as well I sent him some of my
submissions from my many power line/substation application cases.
I sent this to you FYI and if possible, if
you could give Mr. Tong
some more advise.
I wonder whether you know of any other EMF/EMR cases in Japan
(successful or not) Mr. Tong could be referred to.
Please forward your messages to Mr. Tong
with CC to the rest of the
mailing list.
Thank you,
Hans Karow
Coalition to Reduce Electropollution (CORE)
S 2 / C 49, RR # 1
3075 Hayman Road
NARAMATA, BC, V0H 1N0, Canada
E-mail: hkarow@shaw.ca
From: gbltong tong [mailto:gbltong@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 9:37 AM
To: hans karow
Subject: Re: EMF problem
I used to work in Canada and is still a registered professional
engineer of Alberta, Canada.
I am now working out of Hong Kong ( A special administrative
region
of China), doing consultant work in China. The
apartment buildings that shares a common wall with a power
substation is occupied mainly by some retired (nonmanagement
grade) civil servants who have very limited knowledge
of EMFs and have no expertise to deal with big
corporations and
government officials. I feel ashamed as an engineer that others of
my trade are setting up high voltage installations in such an
unprofessional manner. I am now helping these people on a
voluntary basis.
To convince these poor souls, the power company is using very
professional EMF testers to convince people that they have not
exceeded the ICNIRP's "limits".
I can borrow a hand-held 3-axis EMF tester from my engineer friend
in China to take measurements. The government officials may
not
consider mine as accurate or officially calibrated as those used
by
the cash rich power company.
I have no idea about EMF pollution in Japan.
From what I have heard in Asia, the power company's influence in
Japan is beyond your imagination. All they needed to tell
the
government is that any interference into their operation will make
Japan's economy suffers. A good example : Not so long
ago, a very
serious earthquake hit Japan. The quake damaged one of the
biggest
nuclear power plant resulting in nuclear waste leakage into the
ground and into the air. The incident was NOT reported to
any
municipal or central government officials for more than 6 hours.
Therefore no measurements of radioactivity was taken by local or
central government agencies for that period of time and all the
local residents that lived nearby are kept in the dark for that
period of time. The funniest thing is the power company got
away
without receiving any punitive actions from the governments for
violation of operating/reporting regulations.
Professionals in Asia tend to pat each other's shoulders rather
than pointing fingers at others. They tend to collude with
each
other rather than standing up and speak the truth.
There is no problem sharing my email with others.
Let me first find the name of the subsidiary of the US energy firm
that join-ventures with the local asian partner. Most of the
US
energy giants don't directly join-venture with local partners to
avoid US regulations imposed on their operations outside of the
US.
My legal friends are saying that these poor souls can only fight
the power company on grounds of "reasonable" acts and
owing of
"duty of care" to neighbors by the energy
company and the
professionals who carried out such design/installation. And
the
power company and the professionals will always use the recognized
ICNIRP guideline as shields. Legal battles are always
expensive in
Asia and are beyond the means of these poor souls. All I am
trying
to do now is trying to convince the government that there are new
evidence that the power company is NOT doing things quite properly
and hope that they will get the power company to modify their
plans.
Best Regards, KH Tong
P.S. : The economic development in Asia actually comes with
a big
price tag but ordinary people don't seem to realize
that. From: gbltong tong [mailto:gbltong@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 1:14 AM
To: hans karow
Subject: Re: EMF problem
Dear Hans Karow:
Thankyou for supplying me with info when are very busy with your
other business and matters.
My name in Kin Hing TONG. Everybody call me KH when I was in
Canada because its easier to remember.
Although Hong Kong is a highly metropolitan city. It's
regulations
and standards are a sham !
Unlike Australia and Canada, up to now there is no government
energy agency/ies setup to monitor the energy industiries and
their
operations.
The Hong Kong Government will NOT do anything against big
corporations. They will remedy something bad only when
something
disastrous actually happened. The power company, CLP
POWER HONG
KONG LIMITED that I am fighting with is partly owned by the US
energy giant Exxon. As the 1998 ICNIRP guidelines
cooked up by
the energy industries is now the only guidelines recognised by the
Hong Kong Government, it's almost hopeless to fight the power
company. On one location, readings over 100~200
micro Telsa were read in a
living room which is separated from a bank of 10 KV power
transpformers by a wall of regular thickness. Engineers from
the
HongKong Government and CLP POWER still insist its safe because
the
limits specified by ICNIRP is over 800+ micro Telsa. The TV set in
the living room is not feeling comfortable because the color
is
slightly distorted. They are now placing another bank
of 132KV power grid switching equipments next to
another living room on the
ground floor, which is also only separated by a wall.
In Hong Kong,132 KV power grid cables are laid all over the city
under SIDEWALKS at a depth of 1.4 to 2.5 meter with Government
approvals. (132KV power grid cables are laid only in 2.5 to
3.00
meter deep concrete trenches in the middle of the road in Sidney
Australia).
If I cannot find any "reputable" regulations to
challenge the Hong
Kong Government, I can now only collect data and use it to
challenge the government when something bad actually happened in
the future. Some 132KV cables were buried under the the
sidewalk
right in front of a school.
I will send the Biolinitiative report to the government and see if
they will accept it as a guideline.
EMF pollution is all over Asia as very few people understand its
dangerous potential to human health. The problem with EMF is
that
it is not visible and odorless and its not easily detected without
proper equipment.
Best Regards KH Tong
P.S. please keep me informed on any new development on fights
against EMF pollution.
From: gbltong tong [mailto: gbltong@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:28 AM
To: hkarow@shaw.ca
Subject: EMF problem
Dear Hans Karow
1215 Poplar Grove Road
Penticton, BC, V2A 8T6, Canada
E-mail: hkarow@shaw.ca
I got your email address and excerpts of your communication with
ICNIRP from an Internet search.
My understanding is that the 1998 ICNIRP EMF exposure guidelines
is
for "LIMITING" exposure for short or not so long
durations.
Is there any new guidelines for PROLONGED (IN TERMS OF YEARS)
exposure to EMFs issued by national or international agencies.
I am living in Hong Kong. The power company (CLP Power Hong
Kong
Limited) is now laying a 132KV grid transmission cable under the
sidewalk.( They are actually laying this kind of underground 132KV
cable all over Hong Kong. (.... To all prospective tourists
who
plans to pay a visit to Hong Kong: Beware!!! )
The depth of the cable is about 2 to 2.5 metre below ground level.
(At some location is only 1.5 M). the cable is only one
meter from
the front door of my apartment.
The apartment building shares a common wall with the adjacent
power
substation, The living quarters of the apartments on the ground
floor is separated from 10KV and 132KV equipments by a
200~300mm
wall. The high voltage equipments are standing right next to this
common wall.
Please tell me where I can find codes, guidelines, or advice to
argue against the power company on the improper installation of
these equipments.
RGDS. KH Tong
Email address : gbltong@gmail.com
--
Mike O'Carroll