You don't understand Bush was picked
and Kerry knew it.
He bowed out why? Told to simple
as that. Vote doesnt matter. Do you really think Bush got
all those votes?
Both are Skull and Bones, I never felt
Kerry had it to give. He didn't run a tight ship almost as
if going through the motion. He seemed like a need for one to run
against more than someone who really wanted to win. He missed on
the important issues and spent more time fighting Bush instead of going
for the American people and their plight. Since most agreed that
the economy was the main problem in reality then that is what he should
have focused on.
However, neither does the vote or the
president have the power. Both are there for show. More
powerful people are in charge.
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Thursday, November 04, 2004 8:13 PM
[reality101] Kerry Wins If All Legal Votes Counted in Ohio!
Yes you read that right, Kerry WINS if all legal votes are
counted. Provisionals will count even though they are counted
late and if the "spoiled" ballots can be won either by a Dem challenge
(which they have decided against but maybe can be pressured on) or a
citizen lawsuit(probably one or more people from Ohio) to count
these ballots, then Kerry can WIN, even though he conceded!
If the Republicans seemed to lose but they knew that all the legal
votes were not counted you better believe that they would be screaming
at the top of their lungs to have all legal votes counted. How
can we Democrats do any less--especially after 2000? Even if
Republicans would not accept a Kerry win after Kerry conceded, and with
Congress in the hands of the Republican, Kerry couldn't "do" anything,
at least the courts--including the Supreme Court--would be safe and we
wouldn't have the irresponsible tax cuts, ruinous wars, destruction of
environment, rights, social security, etc. This is worth fighting
for even if we have to endure scorn!
Evidence of fraud (some say massive) is coming in but simple "spoilage"
where many legal votes were not counted because of undervotes or
overvotes (many involving the famous "hanging chads") could--if
counted--be added to the total Kerry will get when provisional votes
are counted--and the provisional ballots will definitely be counted in
As a result Kerry could theoretically win Ohio and therefore the
presidency even though he has conceded. There are precedents for
candidates winning after conceding. Greg Palast--the
investigative reporter who broke the Florida disenfranchisement scandal
in 2000--has made a convincing case that counting spoiled legal ballots
plus provisional legal ballots equals Kerry victory.
Can Dems change their mind about contesting the spoiled ballots and if
not can anyone else sue to have these counted?
To pressure Dems to ask for recount or sue to count these votes, this
is form that can be used
and these are Ohio Dem Party contacts firstname.lastname@example.org
<email@example.com>; firstname.lastname@example.org <email@example.com>;
Does anyone else have standing to sue? In Florida, Floridians who
felt disenfranchised sued, can Ohio citizens sue on this basis?
The horrible thing is that the Republicans have convinced the American
people that hand counting is suspect and that making sure votes that
have been spoiled are legal votes by observing them is some sort of
awful joke that must never be repeated. This is the way disputed
elections are counted all around the world--Karzai had to wait a month
to be elected as president to most people's satisfaction but in the US
if the winner isn't picked right away, people start screaming
(especially the "winning" side and Republicans are very good at
outshouting everyone else), no matter how much is in doubt or how
important the results are to the nation.
There is also emerging evidence of voter fraud and disenfranchisement
but I don't know if any of that can be counted to actually overturn an
election--as we saw in 2000.
However, if legal votes were not counted and can still be counted
someone must be able to sue to make sure this happens! Can
someone let me know if anything is being done about this?
Time will tell all the Truth
Sean Lewis VirtualTruth@AOL.com