Folks:

Right after 9/11 I received a consistantly strong message that George Bush would be the last President of our country as "We the People" have mistakenly come to know it. I wasn't really sure how this vision would manifest itself. 

Goblins of terrorists notwithstanding, it appears as if we'll have to live with some serious goblins of election fraud for the next 4 years. So to compound the lies unanswered questions of 9/11 we now have some pretty serious questions that deserve answers regarding the election results of 2004.

As Teed Rockwell states below "I'd say the game's up America, it looks pretty much like you've been had."

The most important question remains: When will Americans wake up?

Peace and God Bless,

Fred Smart
Evanston, Illinois


Subj: MEDIA RELEASE: US Election results 2004 .
Date: 11/15/04 3:35:23 PM Central Standard Time
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US Election results 2004  . . .  This just in . . .

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http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/currentresults1.htm
Cuyahooga county is only one of 48 counties connected with voter fraud in
Ohio and Florida.


The Smoking Gun

You may have seen the associated press story about the precinct in Cuyahoga
county that had less than 1,000 voters, and gave Bush almost 4,000 extra votes.
But that turns out to be only the tip of a very ugly iceberg.The evidence
discovered by some
remarkably careful sleuthing would convince any reasonable court to invalidate
the entire Ohio election.  In last Tuesday's election, 29 precincts in Cuyahoga
County, Ohio, reported votes cast IN EXCESS of the number of registered voters
- at least 93,136 extra votes total. And the numbers are right there on the
official Cuyahoga County Board of Elections website:

Bay Village --- 13,710 registered voters ---18,663 ballots cast
Beachwood --- 9,943 registered voters --- 13,939 ballots cast
Bedford --- 9,942 registered voters --- 14,465 ballots cast
Bedford Heights --- 8,142 registered voters --- 13,512 ballots cast
Brooklyn --- 8,016 registered voters --- 12,303 ballots cast
Brooklyn Heights --- 1,144 registered voters --- 1,869 ballots cast
Chagrin Falls Village --- 3,557 registered voters ---4,860 ballots cast
Cuyahoga Heights --- 570 registered voters --- 1,382 ballots cast
Fairview Park --- 13,342 registered voters --- 18,472 ballots cast
Highland Hills Village --- 760 registered voters --- 8,822 ballots cast
Independence --- 5,735 registered voters --- 6,226 ballots cast
Mayfield Village --- 2,764 registered voters --- 3,145 ballots cast
Middleburg Heights --- 12,173 registered voters --- 14,854 ballots cast
Moreland Hills Village --- 2,990 registered voters --- 4,616 ballots cast
North Olmstead --- 25,794 registered voters --- 25,887 ballots cast
Olmstead Falls --- 6,538 registered voters --- 7,328 ballots cast
Pepper Pike --- 5,131 registered voters --- 6,479 ballots cast
Rocky River --- 16,600 registered voters --- 20,070 ballots cast
Solon (WD6) --- 2,292 registered voters --- 4,300 ballots cast
South Euclid --- 16,902 registered voters --- 16,917 ballots cast
Strongsville (WD3) --- 7,806 registered voters ---12,108 ballots cast
University Heights --- 10,072 registered voters --- 11,982 ballots cast
Valley View Village --- 1,787 registered voters --- 3,409 ballots cast
Warrensville Heights --- 10,562 registered voters --- 15,039 ballots cast
Woodmere Village --- 558 registered voters --- 8,854 ballots cast
Bedford (CSD) --- 22,777 registered voters --- 27,856 ballots cast
Independence (LSD) --- 5,735 registered voters --- 6,226 ballots cast
Orange (CSD) --- 11,640 registered voters --- 22,931 ballots cast
Warrensville (CSD) --- 12,218 registered voters --- 15,822 ballots cast


http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/currentresults1.htm
is the official website of the Cuyahoga county election board, providing
irrefutable evidence that the vote was off by at least 93,000.

Kerry lost Ohio by approximately 130,000, so this is not an
insignificant figure that can be ignored, particularly when there
are numerous other indications of voter fraud in Ohio and elsewhere.
I think the only possible alternative is to invalidate the entire Ohio
election, if not the entire national election.

I'd say the game's up America, it looks pretty much like you've been had.


Sincerely,
Teed Rockwell, Philosophy Dept., Sonoma State University


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I went to the Cuyahoga County site and near as I can tell these figures are
correct. Bet this doesn't make headlines on TV news . . .





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Published on Thursday, November 4, 2004 by CommonDreams.org
The Ultimate Felony Against Democracy
by Thom Hartmann

The hot story in the Blogosphere is that the "erroneous" exit polls that showed
Kerry carrying Florida and  Ohio (among other states) weren't erroneous at all
http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=388
- it was the numbers produced by paperless voting  machines that were wrong,
and Kerry actually won. As more and more analysis is done of what may (or may
not) be the most massive election fraud in the history of the world, however,
it's critical that we keep the  largest issue at the forefront at all time: Why
are We The People allowing private, for-profit  corporations, answerable only
to their officers and boards of directors, and loyal only to agendas and
politicians that will enhance their profitability, to handle our votes?

Maybe Florida went for Kerry, maybe for Bush. Over time - and through the
efforts of some very motivated  investigative reporters - we may well find out
(Bev Harris of
http://www.blackboxvoting.org just filed what may be the largest Freedom of
Information Act [FOIA} filing in history), and bloggers and investigative
reporters are discovering an odd discrepancy in exit polls being largely
accurate in paper-ballot states and oddly inaccurate in touch-screen electronic
voting states Even raw voter analyses are showing extreme oddities in
touch-screen-run Florida, and eagle-eyed bloggers are finding that news
organizations are
retroactively altering their exit polls to coincide with what the machines
ultimately said.
http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/04/11/ana04025.html

But in all the discussion about voting machines, let's never forget the concept
of the commons, because this usurpation is the ultimate felony committed by
conservatives this year.

At the founding of this nation, we decided that there were important places to
invest our tax (then tariff) dollars, and those were the things that had to do
with the overall "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" of all of us.
Over time, these commons - in which we all make tax investments and for which
we all hold ultimate responsibility - have come to include our police and fire
services; our military and defense; our roads and skyways; our air, waters and
national parks; and the safety of our food and drugs.

But the most important of all the commons in which we've invested our
hard-earned tax dollars is our government itself. It's owned by us, run by us
(through our elected representatives), answerable to us, and most directly
responsible for stewardship of our commons.

And the commons through which we regulate the commons of our government is our
vote.

About two years ago, I wrote a story for these pages, "If You Want To Win An
Election, Just Control The Voting Machines,"
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0131-01.htm
that exposed how Senator Chuck Hagel had, before stepping down and running for
the U.S.
Senate in Nebraska, been the head of the voting machine company (now ES&S) that
had just computerized Nebraska's vote. The Washington Post (1/13/1997) said
Hagel's "Senate victory against an incumbent Democratic governor was the major
Republican upset in the November election." According to Bev Harris, Hagel won
virtually every demographic group, including many largely black communities
that had never before voted Republican. Hagel was the first Republican in 24
years to win a Senate seat in Nebraska, nearly all on unauditable machines he
had just sold the state. And in all probability, Hagel run for President in
2008.

In another, later article I wrote
http://www.alternet.org/story/16474
at the request of MoveOn.org and which they mailed to their millions of members,
I noted that in Georgia - another state that went all-electronic - "USA Today
reported on Nov. 3, 2002, 'In Georgia, an Atlanta Journal-Constitution poll
shows Democratic Sen. Max Cleland with a 49%-to-44% lead over Republican Rep.
Saxby Chambliss. 'Cox News Service, based in Atlanta, reported just after the
election (Nov. 7) that, "Pollsters may have goofed" because 'Republican Rep.
Saxby Chambliss defeated incumbent Democratic Sen. Max Cleland by a margin of
53 to 46 percent. The Hotline, a political news service, recalled a series of
polls Wednesday showing that Chambliss had been ahead in none of them.'" Nearly
every vote in the state was on an electronic machine with no audit trail.

In the years since those first articles appeared, Bev Harris has published her
book on the subject ("Black Box Voting"), including the revelation of her
finding the notorious "Rob Georgia" folder on Diebold's FTP site just after
Cleland's loss there; Lynn Landes has done some groundbreaking research,
particularly her new investigation of the Associated Press, as have Rebecca
Mercuri and David Dill. There's a new video out on the topic, Votergate,
available at
http://www.votergate.tv.

Congressman Rush Holt introduced a bill into Congress requiring a
voter-verified paper ballot be produced by all electronic voting machines, and
it's been co-sponsored by a majority of the members of the House of
Representatives. The two-year battle fought by Dennis Hastert and Tom DeLay to
keep it from coming to a vote, thus insuring that there will be no possible
audit of the votes of about a third of the 2004 electorate, has fueled the
flames of conspiracy theorists convinced Republican ideologues - now known to
be willing to lie in television advertising - would extend their "ends
justifies the means" morality to stealing the vote "for the better good of the
country" they think single-party Republican rule will bring.

Most important, though, the rallying cry of the emerging "honest vote" movement
must become: Get Corporations Out Of Our Vote!

Why have we let corporations into our polling places, locations so sacred to
democracy that in many states even international election monitors and
reporters are banned? Why are we allowing corporations to exclusively handle
our vote, in a secret and totally invisible way? Particularly a private
corporation founded, in one case, by a family that believes the Bible should
replace the Constitution; in another case run by one of Ohio's top Republicans;
and in another case partly owned by Saudi investors?

Of all the violations of the commons - all of the crimes against We The People
and against democracy in our great and historic republic - this is the
greatest. Our vote is too important to outsource to private corporations.

It's time that the USA - like most of the rest of the world - returns to paper
ballots, counted by hand by civil servants (our employees) under the watchful
eye of the party faithful. Even if it takes two weeks to count the vote, and we
have to just go, until then, with the exit polls of the news agencies. It
worked just fine for nearly 200 years in the USA, and it can work again.

When I lived in Germany, they took the vote the same way most of the world does
- people fill in hand-marked ballots, which are hand-counted by civil servants
taking a week off from their regular jobs, watched over by volunteer
representatives of the political parties. It's totally clean, and easily
audited. And even though it takes a week or more to count the vote (and costs
nothing more than a bit of overtime pay for civil servants), the German people
know the election results the night the polls close because the news media's
exit polls, for two generations, have never been more than a tenth of a percent
off.

We could have saved billions that have instead been handed over to ES&S,
Diebold, and other private corporations.

Or, if we must have machines, let's have them owned by local governments,
maintained and programmed by civil servants answerable to We The People, using
open-source code and disconnected from modems, that produce a voter-verified
printed ballot, with all results published on a precinct-by-precinct basis.

As Thomas Paine wrote at this nation's founding, "The right of voting for
representatives is the primary right by which all other rights are protected.
To take away this right is to reduce a man to slavery."

Only when We The People reclaim the commons of our vote can we again be
confident in the integrity of our electoral process in the world's oldest and
most powerful democratic republic.

Thom Hartmann (thom at thomhartmann.com) is a Project Censored Award-winning
best-selling author and host of a nationally syndicated daily progressive talk
show. http://www.thomhartmann .com His most recent books are "The Last Hours of
Ancient Sunlight," "Unequal Protection: The Rise of Corporate Dominance and the
Theft of Human Rights," "We The People: A Call To Take Back America," and "What
Would Jefferson Do?: A Return To Democracy."



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Greg Palast - Kerry Won

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Greg Palast
November 04, 2004
I know you don't want to hear it. You can't face one more hung chad.  But I
don't have a choice. As a journalist examining that messy sausage called
American democracy, it's my job to tell you who got the most votes in the
deciding
states. Tuesday, in Ohio and New Mexico, it was John Kerry.

Most voters in Ohio thought they were voting for Kerry. CNN's exit poll
showed Kerry beating Bush among Ohio women by 53 percent to 47 percent.  Kerry
also
defeated Bush among Ohio's male voters 51 percent to 49 percent. Unless a
third gender voted in Ohio, Kerry took the state.

So what's going on here? Answer: the exit polls are accurate. Pollsters ask,
"Who did you vote for?" Unfortunately, they don't ask the crucial, question,
"Was your vote counted?" The voters don't know.

Here's why. Although the exit polls show that most voters in Ohio punched
cards for Kerry-Edwards, thousands of these votes were simply not recorded. This
was predictable and it was predicted. [See TomPaine.com, "An Election Spoiled
Rotten,"  November 1.]

Rest of article here:  http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won_.php

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DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND:
Exit polls analysis versus reported vote count
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=20
3&topic_id=11874&mesg_id=11874

Analysis of exit polls Vs. supposed ballot counts.

Method
Grab one site which lists the exit polls before they were "corrected.''
Correction is the procedure by which the exit polls are retrofitted to match the
figures provided by the vote counting machines. It is easily done by changing
the
exit poll results, such as the 2.00 a.m. flip-flop of the Nevada exit poll
scores which was done without any change to the sample size.

A slightly less obvious sleight of hand is to alter the weighting. Weighting
is the name for a multiplier used to correct sample subgroups to match the
proportions in the whole of a state population. Thus an exit poll can be
''corrected'' by saying something to the effect, ''Oh well, the vote results
show we must have under sampled Republicans and therefore we'll multiply that
subgroup of the exit poll sample by 1.5 to make our results fit the figures the
ballot counting machines are spitting out.''

Here is one list as an example of raw exit poll data:
http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=386

Then take a look at the results by state, such as on this chart:
http://news.yahoo.com/electionresults

There is a bit of math involved but don't worry, I taught market research at
a University - a place where Republicans fear to tread, according to the
media's own polls! The Bush people argue that the exit polls are skewed by the
methodology employed. It is odd that they don't say what that error producing
part
of the methodology might be. A skew means a systematic error is introduced by
the test protocol and causes a consistent shift in one direction.

IF this was true, then all the exit polls would show the same sort of shift
from 'actual' results.

The GOP offer an alternative argument that the exit polls are not large
enough samples and therefore the results are off by a large random error.

IF this was true, then the exit polls should scatter on either side of the
actual result, especially if the final result is close to 50/50.

What do we actually see when comparing exit polls with actual results?

There is skew - but ONLY in states which the Republicans had previously
stated to be target states in play. The skew is in the same direction every
time;
that is to say in favor of Bush.

The exit poll results are not scattered about the mean as the alternative
theory predicts. They are all on the Kerry side of the vote counts as issued by
the states except for a hand full of states which hit amazingly close to the
exit poll figures.

Here are the figures. They list the four contemporaneous and uncorrected exit
polls. Kerry is listed first and Bush second in each pair of figures.
Published = the figure presented as the vote count as of 10.00 a.m. EST on
11/3/04

AZ Poll one 45-55 Final 45-55 Published 44-55
CO Poll one 48-51 2nd 48-50 3rd 46-53 Published 46-53
LA Poll one 42-57 Final 43-56 Published 42-57
MI Poll one 51-48 Published 51-48 Published 51-48
IOWA Poll one 49-49 3rd 50-48 Final 49-49 Published 49-50
NM Poll one 50-48 2nd 50-48 3rd 50-48 Final 50-49 Published 49-50
ME 3rd 55-44 Published 53-45
NV: 3rd 48-49 Published 48-51
AR: 3rd 45-54 Published 45-54
MO Final 46-54 Published 46-53

These tracking polls were right where you would expect them to be and within
the margin of error. However, if we look at some other states, the figures are
beyond curious. either the exit polls were wrong or the vote count is wrong:

WI Poll one 52-48 3rd 51-46 Final 52-47 Published 50-49
PA Poll one 60-40 3rd 54-45 Final 53-46 Published 51-49
OH Poll one 52-48 2nd 50-49 3rd 50-49 Final 51-49 Published 49-51
FL Poll one 51-48 2nd 50-49 3rd 50-49 Final 51-49 Published 47-52
MINN Poll one 58-40 3rd 58-40 Final 54-44 Published 51-48
NH Poll one 57-41 3rd 58-41 Published 50-49
NC Poll one 3rd 49-51 Final 48-52 Published 43-56

Taking the figures and measuring the size and direction of the poll to
supposed vote count discrepancy, we find:

WI Bush plus 4%
PA Bush plus 5%
OH Bush plus 4%
FL Bush plus 7%
MINN Bush plus 7%
NH Bush plus 15%
NC Bush plus 9%

Our election results appear to have been tampered with to give Bush some
unearned electoral votes.

Again.